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Rahiin - February 10

After months of haggling with my doctor, I finally got a referral to a pain management clinic. I was very happy about this, because I cannot function for a good part of each day. Typing this right now is extremely hard for me, for example.

My appointment was at 1:00 p.m. I got there at like 12:50 p.m.. At 5:00 p.m.! they finally got around to seeing me. This was a major clue that this clinic was totally incompetant.

After waiting for 5 hours, the doctor just asked me a few questions for about 10 minutes, and said that there was nothing he could do for me. I was shocked and extremely angry. But I held my temper, and explained to him that I waited for him for 5 hours, that my condition was very dire, as it has been a year and 3 months since I started experiencing all of these symptoms, and I still have no treatment or medicine, and that I really needed some help. But he showed me the door.

It is impossible for me to continue to have an optimistic outlook on my situation, I would be deluding myself if I did. My school has informed me that if I miss another week of classes that they will have to suspend me. I have missed many classes already this semester, only 3 weeks in, because of the severity of my fibro and other medical conditions. My job, thankfully, has not fired me, but they put me on non-paid leave until I can get better, because I guess they're tired of me missing 2 days of work each week due to my conditions.

I am very mad and upset, so I apologize for my venting. I just have no clue how to procede. People have said "Oh, just get a second opinion." Well, I have, over 60 TIMES, no exageration or hyperbole there. That will not work.

 

January - February 10

Rahlin, my mouth is hanging open. A 5 hour wait!? That is truly ridiculous. I am so sorry. You must be furious. I have two ideas.

One is that there might be another doctor at the pain clinic who would be good. Sometimes doctors are grouped in a clinic, the good doctors share space with the bad ones. You have to get the right doctor. Can you ask to see someone else there?

My second idea is to contact your insurance or whoever covers you and pays the bill and tell them of your atrocious treatment. It is ridiculous to PAY FOR A DOCTOR'S SERVICES AND RECEIVE NOTHING! A complaint is time consuming and you must stick exactly to the facts, but my insurance company has been interested in hearing about doctors who are billing them for inadequate service.

Please don't give up. Try to find other fibro or chronic pain people in your area and find out who their doctors are.

Wishing you the best.

 

Rahiin - February 12

I don't mean to automatically put down your suggestions January, because I appreciate them a lot, but I've already tried both of those options. This doctor that I saw there was the 3rd doctor at that specific clinic. I don't think seeing a 4th would be any different.

During my dozens of visits I have encountered some pretty bad doctors, so I've contacted my insurance company a few times to report them. I've done it 4 times out of all the bad doctors, and every single time, the insurance company sides with the doctor. They find no problem with their service or anything they've done. I'm afraid that has made me a bad reputation with my insurance company.

I don't mean to rant but I am so freaking sick of this, I'm tired of seeing the prime of my life, (I'm 20,) being wasted away because all these idiot doctors don't care about anything else except their big fat paycheck! My standard of living is horrible, I can't stand it. I'm sorry, I'm gonna stop before I burst into tears, I just had to get that out.

 

January - February 12

Rahlin - I am so, so sorry to hear of this insane runaround. I'm fairly new here, so I haven't caught up on everyone's history and I need to keep this in mind before posting.

I know we all want to help. I wish I had a great idea, and now I don't have any to offer you. But I'm sending you hugs and prayers that you will find some help soon.

Ranting is good, sometimes it helps to get it out.

 

mdak - February 13

Dear Rahlin- I was reading your problems with FM. I just wanted to share a few things that maybe you dont know. I do suffer from chronic pain with this terrible disease. There is a wonderful drug out there that takes my pain away. It is called buprenorphine, only given by special drs that are licenced and mostly at a pain clinic. It last for 24-72 hrs one pill. I am not joking.It has given my life back to me. I still strugle from the fatique. I wasn't sure if you know about the family medical leave act at work. Everybody has one and your doctor has to fill it out. This gives you up to 12wks in a year to be absent for sickness of you or a family member without firing you. It saved my jobs many times. This medication I am talking about doesn't make you foggy at all and no depression. Many people with chronic pain are using it. I hope this info. helps you.

 

Rahiin - February 15

It is fine January, I appreciate it a lot.

Hmmm thanks for the information mdak, I will bring it up with whichever doctor I see next.

 

mshouleruk - February 16

Rahiin,

Please bear with me during this message, it is not meant as an attack on you, but on the medical profession it's self.

Most Doctors out there are only going to be able to provide you with short term relief from an array of different drugs coming from there belief that treating symptoms with drugs is the only way to treat Fibromyalgia. But at the expensive of what may I ask? Is the human body a miracle machine that doesn't mind being continuously assaulted by toxic chemical after toxic chemical, day after day? Is it by magic that our bodies can detoxify these chemicals from our body without any long lasting effects?

The simple answer to that is no, and how could I possibly know this? Because I run a Fibromyalgia Support Group. For the last year I've been talking to people almost daily with Fibromyalgia, and when you've been talking to sick people that long you begin to pick up on certain trends. That trend is now even more clear.

Those who decide to take control of there own health, do there own research on why they are sick, buy countless number of books on the subject of fibromyalgia from well respected authors. Those are the ones who are consistently doing better then the one's who believe 'the doctor' has all the answers and is going to steer them on the path to recovery. The fact is most doctors have a terrible track record with fibromyalgia patients, all they are doing is prolonging the status quo with an assortment of pain relieving drugs. Why would you be willing to risk the next 10 years of your life looking for more clueless doctors, who will achieve what? Drugging your body to the point of insanity where the only result can be a continuation of the decline of how every cell in your body can function.

It's probably not what you wanted to hear, but that's the reality of our current medical system. The one's who are doing the opposite of what there doctor recommends are 9 times out of 10 the one's who are doing better in the long run.

As for the advice on this forum, and the constant referral to 'ask your doctor' before you try this or take that. Complete madness. We've become a nation of fear, and this has to stop. Experimentation is one of the biggest reasons that I am observing from those people in my support group who are improving. Honestly, do people seriously think that taking Vitamin C or Magnesium is more dangerous then pharmaceutical medications? I dare ask..

Now if we look at the statistics of the people who come to this forum, 98% are those who are feeling hopeless and looking for help. As a result from such a gathering of hopeless people in one tiny place, there is no coordination or sense of direction. More like mass confusion and desperation.

I understand things are dire for you. I wrote all this in the hope that it might give you a prospective regarding doctors and fibromyalgia that you might not have considered.

I will leave you with this inspirational YouTube video (about fibro) to ponder:
youtube.com/watch?v=QaQRviJfpyU

 

mshouleruk - February 16

In response to the drug 'Buprenorphine'

"Buprenorphine is a thebaine derivative with powerful analgesia approximately twenty-five to forty times as potent as morphine."

A medication which is roughly 30 times more potent then morphine, you really want to be stuck on this for the rest of your life?

buprenorphineaddiction.com
/buprenorphinesideeffects.html


-
Buprenorphine Addiction -

Some doctors prescribe Buprenorphine ® as a substitute drug in the treatment of opiate dependency or detoxification from heroin, oxycodone, hydrocodone, morphine, oxymorphone, fentanyl or other opioids. Several patients, like R.L., come to us from other rehab programs where they have become addicted to the substitute Suboxone or Subutex.

Due to its opioid addictive qualities Buprenorphine dependency can creep up on patients gradually and powerfully. Because of this, the FDA treats Buprenorphine ® as a controlled narcotic substance, not to be administered for depression or psychological distress, nor in over-dosage even for ‘approved indications’.

Dependence may start with treatment of pain, injury or disease that requires prescription painkiller medication. It often ends with a debilitating dependency if taken for a long period of time. Like many, R.L. started taking prescription opiates for pain relief and then Buprenorphine ® for detoxification of the opiates, and ended up with Buprenorphine dependency.

Many individuals from factory workers to business executives who have developed an opiate dependency on Buprenorphine ® or other opiate-based drugs now seek a humane and effective detoxification. Opiate dependency affects people from all walks of life regardless of professional, economic, or social status. Over time, self-medication with Buprenorphine ® to avoid withdrawal may lead to excessive doses beyond the original prescription, and to physical dependency and/or addiction.

 

January - February 16

To mshouleruk

Amen! Amen! Amen! I agree with you. The fact that you run a fibro support group and have observed what works gives your post more weight.

Just want to, in general, remind that everyone does not have the background to understand complicated physiology and pharmacology. Then they truly are at the mercy of doctors (or need someone knowledgeable to guide them) - no one should be experimenting with supplements if they don't clearly understand that you can overdose and die from anything, even water! And some people have undiagnosed diseases (e.g. kidney or liver problems) that make their bodies abnormal.

You MUST be able to research and understand basic physiology, dosages, side effects and interactions. (That's something some doctors don't appear to bother with - but they carry malpractice insurance! LOL!) You never know what someone is going to do with information - sometimes they distort it and hurt themselves. (Reason for my disclaimers!) We all have to make the most informed decisions possible about what works for us and what risks we will bear.

Also, I especially applaud your mentioning that those who take control of their own health do better. Psychologically, it's better to feel (even a little more) in control of your life! It is hard when you hurt and can barely think straight, but just a little step in this direction can help.

All the best… : )

 

January - February 16

And PS on my post. I am currently researching Magnesium, which has a delicate and complicated role in the body. It is not easily absorbed from oral supplements, and testing is not just a simple blood draw.

I have found SO much conflicting information online. I have asked an old friend with a PhD in nutrition to guide me a bit. How lucky am I to have this resource!

Oh… and there's also Fantod on this site! : )

 

mshouleruk - February 16

Magnesium chelated to a amino acid such as Glycine or Taurine is the preferred form of magnesium for maximum absorption in the gut.

Magnesium Glycinate (Magnesium chelated to Glycine)
Magnesium Taurate (Magnesium chelated to Taurine)

In cases of chronic constipation, magnesium citrate may be considered because it acts as a natural laxative. Of course treating the underlying digestive balance should be a priority as well, as poor digestive function is in many cases one of the first signs you are entering 'disease mode'. Many Doctors like Dr. Mercola preach about how vital good digestion is, and I happen to agree with them. Literally, 'You Are What You Digest'.

Going back to magnesium, the best method for replenishing depleted cellular magnesium levels in the body is using transdermal (applied to the skin) magnesium oil.

I cannot praise magnesium supplementation highly enough.

I do feel sorry for people regarding the amount of conflicting information out there, in books, on websites, and even from your own doctor. It's a insult to science, but sadly we happen to live in a world where conflict of interest has spread like a virus throughout society (more then you think), and it's this battle between profit and people doing honest research that has distorted so much of the health field. For that reason just because someone has a Ph.D. in Nutrition I wouldn't necessary put 100% faith in them.

One must understand pharmaceutical companies (through manipulated research) have a huge say in the teachings that go on at Universities, thus many Ph.D. who eventually come out of our 'education sysem' are more like a advertisement for big pharma in everything they've been taught; rather then someone who knows the truth about health and nutrition. It's hard to believe we could be living in the 21st Century, and for health science to be so confused and manipulated, but it has. The quicker people realise this, the quicker people can start focusing on fundamental health truths and how they can begin to take control of there own health.

For people wishing to learn more about magnesium supplementation, I recommend visiting:

magnesiumforlife.com/

 

mdak - February 16

January- Tell me what you know about magnesium. I know that mine was very low when I had my grandmal seizufe. Do FM suffer from vitamins being too low?

 

January - February 17

Please forgive this long post, I want to address a few issues that were raised. I tried to snip my personal remarks, like my response to mshouleruk's attack on my friend of 40 years who is a reputable, intelligent PhD with no connection to Big Pharma. I don't want to get into flames with anyone, just want to share information.
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mshouleruk- I agreed with some of what you posted and said so, perhaps prematurely and too emphatically. I hope you are well-intentioned, but… I now seriously wonder if you are selling something. I also wonder if you yourself have fibromyalgia - or if you are just "running" a support group. My understanding is that this is a forum for people who HAVE FIBROMYALGIA.

First, let's address Dr. Mercola. I googled him (quickly); the word "fraud" was attached to his name enough times to warrant a little more research than I can do right now. (Just a scientific control here, google Brenda Watson - there are no mentions of fraud by her name, and she deals with digestive health too.) Mercola is a DO who runs a "high profit business." Here is what I copied from wikipedia about Dr. Mercola:

"Mercola has received two warning letters from the FDA for violations of marketing laws.[4][5] A 2006 BusinessWeek editorial criticized Mercola's marketing practices as "relying on slick promotion, clever use of information, and scare tactics."[6]"

"Mercola opposes the use of most prescription drugs and immunizations, favoring what he calls natural food choices, lifestyle modifications and energy psychology tools to address emotional challenges.[29] He promotes and sells numerous dietary supplements, including krill oil, vitamin K, probiotics, and anti-oxidant supplements."

His opposition to "most" drugs may explain your posting on buprenorphine, which I address below. But second, lets examine your referral to the site magnesiumforlife.com:

I was intrigued by the following disclaimer at the very bottom of this flashy site for transdermal magnesium (the info in all-caps was highlighted by me, except for "LEGAL NOTICE"):

"LEGAL NOTICE: The Author specifically invokes the First Amendment rights of freedom of speech and of the press without prejudice. The INFORMATION YOU WILL RECEIVE WITH OUR CONSULTATIONS IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY under the rights guaranteed by the First Amendment of the Constitution for the United States of America, and SHOULD NOT IN ANY WAY BE USED AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE ADVICE OF A PHYSICIAN OR OTHER LICENSED HEALTH CARE PRACTITIONER. The statements contained on my sites and in my books have not been evaluated by the FDA. The products discussed are NOT INTENDED TO DIAGNOSE, CURE, PREVENT OR TREAT ANY DISEASE but are proven useful for health and life extension. WE ALWAYS RECOMMEND WHEN AND WHEREVER POSSIBLE THAT LICENSED LOCAL HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS BE CONSULTED."

As Steve Martin would say, "Scuze me?" Doesn't this contradict your post about always checking with those quacky doctors? This looks like a carefully worded statement by a good lawyer. There is a reason people say "check with your doctor." There is also a reason people get good attorneys to write disclaimers.

At this site, I clicked on the "author" tab, and learned about "Mark Sircus, Ac, OMD." He says he is an acupuncturist with an HONORARY degree of Oriental Medicine. I believe that means he received the degree as an "award" but HE DID NOT ATTEND MEDICAL SCHOOL. He does not say where he received his degree. His credentials, IMO, are questionable. He has been living in Brazil for 20 years.

For anyone interested in his medical offerings, I highly recommend you read his entire bio, as he is quite the EXTREMELY accomplished man, and I say that with a touch of… ; ) humor. (I can't resist.) I am not quite sure if he's insinuating that he is the Second Coming…

But, hey. I'm kind of New Agey myself. I read spiritual books and I've seen some of these ideas before. I do supplements, massage, acupuncture and affirmations. I'm kind of well-educated and talented in lots of areas myself. But gosh, here's what "Dr." Sircus says about himself, and this isn't even half of it:

"I am a prolific writer, poet, medical researcher, doctor, psychologist, musician, devoted husband and family man with a dragon heart that reaches out routinely each week to the world with my publications…

"...My work thus embraces the whole of life, the oneness of all beings, and all aspects of human life and activity from love and sexuality to government, politics, ecology, medicine, relationships and economics."

"….I am one of the sole custodians (a Last of the Mohican type) of Creative Conflict, a process whose goal is group consciousness, whether that is between two or thirty people."

W-O-W. mshouleruk, if you want to put your faith in this, go right ahead. But don't give anybody else on here a hard time about anything they are doing… I assume you are in the UK, and I don't know their legal system, but if you are running a fibro support group, I hope, for your sake, you are not prescribing (or selling) medical treatments. You could get yourself in serious trouble and apparently you don't know about legal disclaimers... yet.

Now, mshouleruk, I would like to address your posting on buprenorphine. Just my opinion...

Your info is OK, but incomplete, in that it only focuses on addiction. (Fantod put excellent info on here earlier.) BTW, Suboxone contains naloxone which blocks opiate receptors, and thus is harder to abuse. But look, severe pain exists, especially within the fibro community. Many of us have other painful issues, e.g. arthritis, nerve damage, cancer, etc. Compassionate medical care and the use of medication to relieve pain is not quackery; nor is a person who needs pain medicine, or any other medicine, to function, an "addict," as the word is bandied about these days.

As far as I can see, this is not a forum for fun-seeking drug addicts; rather a lot of people here have painful and chronic medical issues. They come here for support and to exchange information. I have a feeling you have not experienced severe unrelenting pain. And I would be careful about throwing around the word "addiction." It is a judgmental word, and you do not walk in another person's shoes. Nobody signs up for chronic pain, but you are one bad car accident away from it yourself, and you know what we New-Agey people say about karma….

Well-monitored opiates are a viable and medically established treatment for chronic pain, used for millennia and in all countries. (And, let's remember, many recreational drug "addicts" are from extremely abusive backgrounds; psychological pain is as real as physical pain, and they deserve compassion too.)

But back to fibro and medical issues. There are people who must get up every day and, all by themselves, take care of children, go to work and do daily living activities, but some of us cannot even walk without pain meds. I am one of them. I didn't ask for pain meds. My doctor put me on them so I wouldn't blow out my kidneys with other drugs. It is a risk we all take, if we start on pain meds, that we may become dependent, or even out of control. Most of us are able to keep our dosages at the recommended levels for many years. Some people can't do that. So if that happens, there's buprenorphine.

 

January - February 17

mdak - I know that too much magnesium is as bad as too little. And I know you need to make sure your kidneys are working properly if you have a magnesium problem. I know that certain drugs can throw off the balance of electrolytes in your body. (electrolytes are minerals like potassium, magnesium, calcium..etc.)

Magnesium interacts with a LOT of other chemicals in the body and influences a LOT of physiological functions. I have seen a product called Slo-Mag recommended for fibromyalgia, which releases magnesium slowly into the blood.

But if you take too much, you could get a condition called hypermagnesemia. This is no joke. YOU SHOULD DISCUSS ANY SUPPLEMENTS WITH A DOCTOR OR LICENSED NUTRITIONIST, ESPECIALLY IF YOU DON'T HAVE A MEDICAL BACKGROUND YOURSELF. DO NOT just go by what you read on the internet!

From emedicine here's some info:
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Common causes of hypermagnesemia include renal [kidney] failure and iatrogenic manipulations [medical procedures]. However, other diseases may result in increased magnesium; the degree of elevation determines the symptoms. Acute elevations of magnesium usually are more symptomatic than slow rises.

Magnesium levels of 2-4 mEq/L are associated with the following:
Nausea
Vomiting
Skin flushing
Weakness
Lightheadedness
High magnesium levels are associated with depressed levels of consciousness, respiratory depression, and cardiac arrest.
===============

So, what this is saying is, with high magnesium, you could go unconscious, stop breathing, or have your heart stop.

It's the same with other supplements - like potassium. Your body maintains a very delicate balance of these things, too much or too little of one can throw the others off balance and make you sick.

The best way to keep healthy is to eat a balanced diet. Ask your doctors if they think you should take a multivitamin/mineral supplement daily. And ask them about your magnesium level. I would not recommend playing around with these things unless you know what you are doing. I have a science background and I do plenty research and check with MY doctor about MY body before I put anything in it. Remember, every body is different!

 

Rahiin - February 17

mshouleruk

Okay so, if doctors aren't the answer, than what is? Non-medical treatment sure isn't. I eat a very healthy diet, daily supplements with lots of Vitamin C, D, potassium, magnesium, etc, all that good stuff, and it doesn't do a thing for me. I've tried herbal teas, massages, acupuncture, streching, excersising, and swimming. All of that does nothing. So I agree with you in the fact that doctors are seriously mis-handling fibro, but whats the alternative?

I have read dozens of books on fibro, and they all say to consult a doctor, get a treatment plan, get MEDICINE, etc. So, I do not understand you when you say "Don't rely on doctors," but yet you say "Read up as much as you can," because the two seem contradictory. I'm not meaning to insult, I'm just trying to understand.

 

mshouleruk - February 17

January, I didn't mean to imply that your friend worked directly for big pharma. When I said many Ph.D. graduates were like a “advertisement” for big pharma, I meant that because nutritional science suffers from the same conflict of interest as other fields, the advice that 'most' nutritionists give out is not productive to having the best health that we as a species can achieve. If the population are only given half-truths about eating healthy, who do you think benefits from the sickness?

Remember the whole scam with margarine supposedly being healthy and everybody had to stop eating saturated fats? Well that's exactly what most people did, they switched to margarine, and the incidents of coronary heart disease took a dramatic rise up. Now people are more sick then ever in the United States, but are we questioning what we've been told? No!

A few example of dietary madness:

Iodine has been taken out of our salt = result - massive increase in thyroid problems (iodine is critical for thyroid function).

The traditional way of cooking foods with Saturated fats have been almost completely replaced with vegetable oils (high in polyunsaturated fats). Polyunsaturated fats become toxic when cooked under high temperatures = result - incidents of coronary heart disease reaches record levels every year. Were living in the 21st century and people still think saturated fats are bad for them, nonsense. Go buy a book on the subject and educate yourself.

I recommend: “Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health” by Dr. Mary G. Enig

and

“Know Your Fats : The Complete Primer for Understanding the Nutrition of Fats, Oils and Cholesterol” by Gary Taubes

Regarding my previous messages, let me just clear up a few points here. Firstly my messages were written in the context of Fibromyalgia. Doctors are extremely useful for giving us a diagnosis (usually). If your very sick, you could have a life threatening disease and need to get checked out so you know what your dealing with. Once you have a diagnosis, and decided you don't want to be on drugs for the rest of your life, with a reduced quality of life, then it's time to look for alternatives.

Drugs do have there place in society, during a medical emergency drugs save countless lives every year. But in the context of fibromyalgia, long-term drug usage is counter-productive to the patient's recovery plan. The more damage you inflict on the human body, the bigger the hole you get your-self into, and the steeper the mountain will be to climb to get yourself back on the path to vitality and health. If you don't ever want to get your health back, then fair enough, take Buprenorphine and other strong pain relieving drugs and watch as your health continues to decline year after year. Then maybe suddenly one year you decide you can't take it anymore, what are you supposed to do? Maybe if your old and already lived a fulfilling life, and just want to live the last few years of your life without pain, that's a perfectly valid option, but if your still young, once you get started on this stuff, any future prospects you had will slip further and further away.

I will admit that perhaps I'm being a bit overly harsh on Buprenorphine, long-term effects is what I'm worried about. I would have to talk to patients who have been on this stuff for 5 years or even more years to know how I feel about it. Perhaps on a low-dose it may even be less damaging then some of the other fibromyalgia drugs out there, but that's not something I know, and if you don't know either, your putting your future health on the line.

Now regarding your “so-called” research into Dr. Mercola and Dr. Mark Sircus, no wonder this forum has no sense of direction.

Let me refer to you an important piece written about the organisation known as “Quackwatch”.

quackpotwatch.org


quackpotwatch.org/WisconsinWar/who_are
_these_so.htm

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"Quackwatc
h"
always assume that lack of obvious disease and symptoms is synonymous with optimal health. They constantly use this kind of faulty logic as an excuse to claim that alternative therapies are unnecessary. But we know the truth: That health means more than the absence of disease. Health is an optimal state of well being, not simply a state borderlining death.
My advice is to stay away from "quackwatch" and other self-proclaimed "quack busters." My experience is that they always have a hidden agenda, notably protecting the financial interests of the drug industry by casting aspersions on their competition - the alternative health care industry. If they would stick with the truth that would be fine. But they are constantly misrepresenting the facts and perpetuating outright lies in order to further their hidden agenda. It is not the place to find the truth.
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I feel sorry you have been duped to believe in this hidden agenda, don't always trust in wikipedia. My god, if wikipedia spoke the god's honest truth about health, a significant portion of the population would be a lot more healthy then they are now. When your researching things, see what REAL people have to say. Have you read the reviews left on Dr. Mercola's books? Have you seen that Dr. Mercola has one of the largest alternative health fan bases on the internet? Have you spoken to people that have to been to his clinic? Until you do your research properly, your doing nothing but believing in the crap tossed out by propaganda, with one intention, to keep you sick with a big fat pharmaceutical profit sign hovering over your head.

I will tell you a little about myself, when I found his website it was a like a blessing, actually, it felt like I had walked into a alternative universe to the one that my doctor believed in. I was confused, sick, and looking for answers. I read up on everything Dr. Mercola talked about, it blew me away. I decided to apply a lot of his philosophies, and what was the result? My health improved. I suppose that makes me bias, but I'm grateful I found him.

The real quacks are those that try to distort honest health information by spreading lies. The world is a better place because of that doctor, if you disagree, shame on you.

Now to Dr. Mark Sircus, who I think is a truly brilliant man, and the discussion of Magnesium Oil.

Let's take a typical Magnesium Oil product sold on Amazon:

amazon.com/Ancient-Minerals-Ultra-Pur
e-Magnesium/product-reviews/B001AD0HL8/

Here'
s
a review that was only left last month:

5.0 out of 5 stars - Life changing - January 26, 2011 - By D.D.
This review is from: Ancient Minerals Ultra Pure Magnesium Oil 8 oz. (Health and Beauty)

I haven't tried any other brand so I can't compare brands. I suffered from horrible muscle spasms and aching in my legs and insomnia. This was ruining my life. I was diagnosed with myofascial pain syndrome and had lots of fibromyalgia symptoms. Nothing was helping, physical therapy, pain meds...I was tired and depressed.
I discovered magnesium spray googling and purchased this one. It does burn slightly so I mix it in a bowl with a little bit of lotion and put it on my legs. I'm sleeping. I have no pain. I started exercising!!! Swimming and running and my sleep and mood are great. This has literally changed my life so try it!

So January, is this what you do, condemn people to a life of misery and pain by turning them away from solutions that might help? Shame on you again. I don't know where you get your information from, but you need to stop this fear-mongering about magnesium, when in reality it's such a vital nutrient for human health.

 

mshouleruk - February 17

Rahiin

I'm sorry that you've searched so hard and still haven't had any success, yet. There are some very skilled doctors out there, but in general, like you've found from your previous experiences, “most” doctors are clueless when it comes to fibromyalgia. You could keep looking for that needle in a haystack doctor, or keep researching for the answers. It's not for me to tell you which route to take, but I can help point you in the right direction in terms of fibromyalgia research. If you don't mind, if you could talk a little about your case history and current symptoms, that would help me out a lot. Fibromyalgia is such a broad disease, really a blanket term. In Greek; Fibromyalgia means chronic muscle and soft tissue pain. That doesn't really tell us anymore that what we already know. Symptoms and case history I believe paint us a much more accurate picture of what's going on.

In this message I'd like to talk about Hypothyroidism Type 2, which at the moment is going almost virtually undiagnosed by doctors because it can't be diagnosed by a blood test. The only way to diagnose it correctly is via a patients symptoms and/or basal (underarm) temperature test. Dr. Mark Starr has written an important book on this subject called “Hypothyroidism Type 2: The Epidemic”, and gets many praised reviews. What's more interesting is that many years ago another doctor called Dr. John C. Lowe came out and made the statement that fibromyalgia in most cases is just a undiagnosed thyroid problem.

I'll give you a few links to read up on, if your still interested.

fibromyalgiaresearch.org/

21cen
turymed.com/?page_id=12

amazon.com/Hypothyroid
ism-Type-Epidemic-Mark-Starr/dp/0975262408/

We
have one member in our support group who is currently self-treating herself for this condition, as it happens she started last week, the rest of the group are very interested to see what happens, as we think this could be an important piece of the puzzle regarding how fibromyalgia may operate in some people.

 

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