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Patrice - January 24

Does anyone have any documentation on how stress can lead to Fibromyalgia or intensify symptoms?

 

larry - January 24

Yes, read the book "Living Well with Fibromyalgia, what your doctor doesn't tell you that you need to know. b Mary Sholom. Also the fibro and fatigue centers clearly understand this and treat this very successfully ; 90%+. Check out their website for very good info. Good luck.

 

dream69 - January 24

PATRICE:From a previous post of mine.The association of traumatic exposures with fibromylagia (FM) is well known. To date, studies have linked traumatic stress exposures to such conditions as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, gastrointestinal disease, FM, chronic fatigue syndrome, musculoskeletal disorders, and other diseases. In addition, clinical studies have suggested the biological pathways through which stressor-induced diseases may be pathologically expressed. In particular, recent studies have implicated the hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid (HPT) as key in this pathogenic process, which is modulated by genetic and behavioral/psychological risk factors. In more mundane terms a major stressful event will dysregulate the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis as well as the hypothalamus-pituitary-thyroid (HPT) axis. How we cope or recover from this event depends on our genetic makeup. If someone has a predisposition to have FM then such an event will precipitate the onset of such disease.

 

dream69 - January 24

Once we have fibromyalgia the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis remains deregulated and any stressful event will further exacerbate symptoms.

 

larry - January 24

dream- what are your thoughts on how this can be regulated? Can it be? Can it be connected and repaired again?

 

dream69 - January 24

Larry; I am working on understanding all of the molecular details about this disease. It is super complex. There are various theories and also various abnormalities. I now know what causes the pain. The pain is caused by dysregulation of oxygen metabolism in our tissues. Substance P rises due to this stimulus. The abnormalities found in the brain are not the cause of the disease but a reaction to what is going on to the body. In the end everything is intertwined. Understanding this disease is like unraveling a huge knot. Ginger root has been shown to block the actions substance P that is why it works so well with this disease. http://content.nhiondemand.com/moh/media/mono
Herb.asp?objID=100059&ctype=ds&mtyp=1

 

larry - January 24

Thanks dream. I drink water with a liquid oxgen supplement every day and I have no pain. Perhaps the oxygen is helping me. It does give me GREAT energy and does wonders for the brain fog. Have you any info on adding oxygen to one's diet?

 

dream69 - January 24

Its not that we are not getting enough oxygen, its because we are not utilizing it correctly.

 

dream69 - January 24

Oxygenated drinks have been shown not to work as advertised. http://www.acefitness.org/getfit/waterstudy.aspx

 

dream69 - January 24

The only way we can improve oxygen metabolism is by doing cardio.

 

larry - January 24

I think you will change your mind about oxygen supplementation once you try it. I use Aquagen Revitalize. Since fibro patients have thick, sluggish blood it really helps as an energy enhancer, a detoxicifer, enhances metabolism ( I have been losing .5 lb a day which is EXTREMELY rare for me as I have put on 50 lbs of weight from the thyroid disfunction ). It really helps clear the head as well. As Mikey says "Try it y'all like it".

 

Patrice - January 25

Larry and Dream69 ... Thanks for your responses, they are very interesting and helpful. Are most studies on the stress subject related to short-term stress, long-term stress or both? In 2005, I was under enormous stress for over five months, then the stress reduced slightly, but continued at that rate for over a year. During the slightly less stressful period (which was still a heavy load and troublesome time), I was diagnosed with FM. I truly believe that the high stress levels for the extended period of time intensified my FM symptoms. I'll keep reading your posts for more information. I appreciate your help.

 

Lyle Anderson - January 25

dream69: i thought current research showed that whatever chemical it is that transmits pain signals to the brain, we have an excess of in our spinal fluid and we have a deficiency in neurotransmitter that tells the brain we've had enough pain (dopamine). I'm getting confused between what the current literatue says and the HPT theory. Are the two related and if so, how?

 

dream69 - January 25

Lyle you are right, in fibromyalgia there is a decrease in dopamine uptake and also an increase in substance P in the spinal fluid. The connection between the adrenals, thyroid, oxygen metabolism, HPA axis, HPT axis, serotonin, dopamine, and substance P is very complex to explain it in one post. It’s like a puzzle or the chicken and egg question, what causes what? They are not multiple theories but pieces of the same puzzle. Each specialist concentrates in their own specialty but someone has to put everything together. That is the hard part putting all of these things together. Scientist and doctors are almost blind about areas outside of their specialization.

 

larry - January 25

The reason that the fibro ad fatigue centers are so successful in healing is that they do take a holistic appoach. This is also why other doctors hate them and fight them. For example I had carpal tunnel coming on for the last 6 months. In our traditional medical system I would have ended up having hand surgery by now. But the holistic view always ask why is this happening and goes to the root of the problem to fix the inbalance. Insteading of making the connection that "your circuitry" is off let's get it back in balance. The carpal tunnel in both my hands went away within the first month of addressing the inbalances in my pitutary, adrenals, thyroid and a handful of other hormones. The intense pain in my feet ad my heart palpiations also went away. An anology that I enjoy is : The US conventional medical system stands by the side of the river and keeps pulling people out that fell off the bridge (addressing symptoms) while eastern medicine aka alternative and complementary medicine sends the doctors upstream to repair the broken bridge. The doctors only know what they have been taught in med school that is primarily paid for by the pharmaeutical companies. I hope you can now see why the drugs companies are making ons of money off of fibromyalgia by selling you drugs for all the many symptoms, IBS, restless legs, insomina, depression, headaches, pain, etc. If you have been working with alternative medical doctors for awhile you would understand the difference.

 

dream69 - January 25

Larry, that is true to a point, however, Naturopaths and Homeopaths do the same thing. For example, herbal teas and acupuncture treat the symptoms only. It’s just using a natural approach vs. a synthetic approach. Some diseases do have cures such as infectious disease either by conventional or naturopathic or homeopathic. Holistic medicine combines the best approaches from all medical traditions to treat the body. Does it always cure you, the answer is no. Dogma is always the enemy.

 

JJ1 - January 26

I am pretty sure that my fibromyalgia was brought on by the stress I endured while taking care of my terminally ill parents while at the same time trying to raise three kids and hold down a full time job. I eventually went to part time status at work, but it was too late -- the stress has already done it's job. There are many references to stress bring on fibromyalgia. Try googling "stress fibromyalgia" and see what you find.

 

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