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No Wheat/dairy diet
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PEANUT - June 1

Hi. It's been a while since I have been on the forum. I recently went to a naturepath and he put me on a diet with no wheat, dairy, sugar, most oils, starchy vegetables like potatoes and corn and I am to avoid all processed foods. He put me on a drink mix of spring water with Himalayan salt, apple cider vinegar and chlorophyl. Also the following supplements - magnesium magnate, magnesium oxide, olive leaf extract and stress formula. I am to take one at each meal as well as a glass of apple juice.I am basically detoxing from processed foods and getting my liver, gall bladder and bile system in order so that my stomach issues will hopefully clear. I have been unable to absorb nutrients and am very low on minerals. My problem is finding replacement foods for the grain family as well as dairy. I am told whole rye bread and buckwheat bread are fine but I can't find either. Also milk from a cow and making my own butter and cheese is suggested but does not seem practical for me. And organic products not allowed either. I am feeling very depressed and irritible, all centering around my diet. I am so sick of salads but I know this has to be a regular staple in my diet. I thought I was eating well but in retrospect, most of the foods I was consuming are processed foods. I enjoyed having a multi grain toast with meat and cheese for breakfast, with a piece of fruit and a glass of milk or yogurt. No can do now. Or I would make myself a smoothie with a protein shake, whey, yogurt and frozen fruit. No can do now. Or a bowl of cereal with milk and fruit. No can do now. What can I have? Lunch was a slice of multigrain bread with 3 slices of meat and an ounce of cheese, a salad, milk or yogurt and a fruit. I can still have salad and fruit but not the rest. I don't know what to replace these with. And my supper meal was pretty much as my lunch but instead of the lunch meat I would have salmon, chicken or lean pork or beef. Again I can have the salad and fruit and meat but not the rest. I don't see him for another 2 weeks and I truly am screaming inside and am totally turned off by the thought of eating as I have no interest. I am not on a gluten free diet which, to me, might be somewhat easier to follow as there are products available these days. Anyway, that's it in a nutshell - oh I can't enjoy my nuts except for soaked walnuts (yuk) and almonds. And I may not even be able to enjoy my whey protein bars. Sorry if I am complaining but these are things that I enjoyed and need to find foods that will make me feel just as satisfied. I don't want to just 'eat to live' - I would like a balance of 'live to eat' with the 'eat to live'. I also don't need to lose weight so either I will lose weight because I am not eating as much as I should, or, more likely in my case, I will gain weight as I am not getting the proteins and protein snacks that help me to maintain. Phew - I have been very long winded. I thanks you for listening and hope to get some hopeful feedback. Gentle hugs to all!

 

Jocelyn - June 1

Peanut,

I am so confused! Maybe someone else on this site can explain your diet situation. What it comes down to is this doctor you are seeing is putting you on a special kind of diet, but has not provided you with the knowledge of how to cook for yourself etc. Your doctor MUST help you out with this diet, this is a difficult diet that you are on.

Hugs and Hopes for you!

 

kvc33 - June 1

Your doctor has said no wheat or dairy yet it has been suggested that you make your own butter and cheese with cow's milk? That doesn't make sense. There are many non-dairy milks and cheeses available but most likely you will find them at a health food store. Almond, rice, hemp, soy and coconut milk are available where I live in Canada. We also have rice breads and pasta here. Check out specialty shops. Combining foods often makes them taste better. I make my own chicken soup with onions, celery, carrots and chicken. You could make your own pasta sauce with tomato paste, herbs, peppers, onions, and either have it with ground beef and no pasta or the rice pasta if you can find it. I eat 'ice cream' bars made with coconut milk and they are great for a treat. You could also make your own granola with honey or agave nectar as a sweetener if that is okay with your doc. You can make a smoothie with fruit and use banana as the thickener along with one of the milks I suggested. Look up wheat and dairy free recipes on the net and I'm sure you'll find lots. It seems as though your diet revolved around wheat and dairy a lot so your body isn't going to be very happy with you for a while as it wants those foods back. Take heart I have been off dairy and wheat along with other things for 18 months.

 

Jocelyn - June 4

Peanut,
Kvc is very knowledgeable is this area. I have gone on a gluten free diet, and because I have a lot of food allergies, I have taken them out of my diet as well. Soy, walnuts, tomatoes etc.....

I don't know where you live, but, I am in the United States, and our regular grocery stores are starting to carry a lot of glueten free foods and if you can't find them in your grocery, we have what is called "Whole Food" stores all over the place. I have one right in my town. You can get everything you need to bake with, although, it is pricey but worth it. I buy some of my grocery's there and some at the regular store which carries some of the same products for less money.

Good luck with your diet and let us know how it works out.

 

January - June 9

I've been gluten free for about 4 or5 years now. It REALLY helped my fibro pain and many other issues I had. I'm as strict as I can be about the diet - because I am now VERY allergic. But in the US "gluten free" does not always mean "gluten free." They are still arguing about the definition of gluten free, and what gluten really is. Food can have 15 ppm of gluten and still say "gluten free,' so if you are REALLY sensitive, good luck. You should not have ANY gluten if you have celiac disease.

I just went to a new store that blared "gluten free shopping" at the front door. Their gluten free selection was "mixed in" with other stuff all over the huge store. Oh great. So I had to spend hours wandering the aisles looking for things that were not even labeled? I got the manager and asked where the frozen gluten free food was. Guess. It was across from the breads, same aisle. The minute I got to the aisle I got asthma. (Do they just not UNDERSTAND that most regular bread IS gluten?) There are 3 stores I go to that have their gluten free frozen food across from their bread displays. This is just STUPID. I've complained to them all, but no changes.

I pulled out an Amy's GLUTEN FREE lasagna the other day. I always read the ingredient list, and on the back of this package it said "made in a facility that processes wheat…" Oh well. I put it back on the shelf. I am very allergic and can't handle things that have a "little" wheat in them. I had the same problem with Quaker Oats GLUTEN FREE rice cakes. They made me sick. I called the company and got quite an argument about what gluten is or isn't. This was a year ago. Now I have figured out (and also read) that some celiacs are also allergic to avenin, a protein in oats. Maybe the rice cakes were contaminated with oats or wheat. Who knows! Contamination is a huge problem for those of us with bad allergies, who try to buy packaged food. I try to be SO careful about what I eat, but I still get things that aggravate my gluten allergies - and it takes me a couple MONTHS to get better! It's very frustrating and disheartening. Don't believe the label - read the disclaimers on the back, and keep a food diary so you know what you can handle. If it says "gluten free" it still might not be safe for you.

 

January - June 10

Peanut - I, like kvc, find your doctor's diet a little odd. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. My main question would be - how did he diagnose you and how did he decide what you're allergic to? Did he do blood testing? Or did he do what some chiropractors do, which is muscle testing?

I think there's a lot of room for "muscle testing" to give false results. There are now more blood tests available - and I'd rely more on a blood test that actually detected antibodies to certain foods than on a those muscle tests. As I understand, they put the substance on your tongue, and then see if you can hold your arm up while they press down. If you can't, you're allergic. There's a lot of room for error in that type of testing!

If you can't absorb nutrients and minerals, for sure, you should ask for a celiac panel blood test - malabsorption is a symptom of that disease. If you have it, you can't have wheat, barley or rye - and some of us can't tolerate other grains like oats or quinoa either.

It sounds like he's supplementing your magnesium, but magnesium oxide is very poorly absorbed. The chelates (the forms that end in -ate, and you have one) are better absorbed. I don't know why he is giving you magnesium oxide. I've talked to my pharmacist, who told me yes, most doctors prescribe that, but it is NOT well absorbed. They just don't know any better! If you are drinking salt, he is giving you extra sodium.

But calcium, magnesium, sodium and potassium all exist together in a delicate balance. You don't want to overdose on any one of these. They have to be in a proper ratio for your body to function well.

Seems like you need to ask him some questions or get a referral to a good nutritionist. It's better if you can really understand why doctors are telling you to do things. As kvc said, it makes no sense at all that he would tell you to avoid dairy and then say it's OK to drink milk from a cow and make your own cheese! ???? Are you sure you understood this person correctly??

If you have food allergies, I hope you get a blood test. True, sometimes these tests come back with false negative results. But if they come back with a positive, you can pretty much know that your blood has antibodies to the food and you're allergic. I would trust the blood tests more than other types of testing.

Also, one of the best things you can do is keep a diary. Write down what you eat, and your symptoms. THAT will help you really track what is bothering you. Sometimes symptoms don't come up for a few days, or even a few weeks, and they can be subtle things like moodiness and depression, or skin breakouts, rashes, headaches, nightmares, GI upsets of any kind, joint pain, etc.

 

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