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Does anyone still believe in GOD?
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Canada17 - November 10

bwelladjusted - the Bible was written by man, a man on drugs nonetheless, but it doesn't mean what is written isn't good advice.

You should be careful how you word your advice. It would be easy for someone to misconstrue what your saying into advocacy for an early termination of life. You said:

"I know you want to stop existing at the end of your life, so it can all just be over and done with. After a long hard life, many people probably feel that way. And for your pain-filled body, it WILL finally be done. But a soul is not something that can die, it will live forever, that much we are assured of."

You basically go on to say that if you accept Christ into your heart, your soul will live for eternity in Heaven, if not they to Hell you go.

Would God really be that spiteful?

The Bible should be taken at face value, they are stories to control people. Controlling people is an important part of ensuring a certain way of living. That is why we have laws and by-laws, most of which evolved from the 10 Commandments.

I don't deny that people who go to Church and believe in God have a unique way of turning hardship into something positive. But there have been many, far too many, horrendous acts committed in the name of God!

God does not make our pain magically disappear, though faith can do amazing things. Faith is a funny thing though because no matter what you believe in, you can manifest your own destiny, with or without God. A woman can exhibit all signs of being pregnant, even though tests prove otherwise, everything from missing a period to milk production, all she needs to to really believe that she is. Does that mean that she is pregnant? No, it means she's manifested the pregnancy and tricked her body into believing that she is pregnant because she believed so strongly that she was...

 

ptalana - November 10

To answer your question, yes I do believe in God. That's not to say I haven't struggled with my faith!!!! There are definitely days when I ask why me, why the pain, the disability, why the extreme financial problems????? But I have my amazing hubby who reminds me, why not me? In the grand scheme of things it could be so much worse. He reminds me of the faith of the extreme poor, in third world nations. We were never promised a life without hardship, at least I know I wasn't!!! At times in life it seems that we're tested, but no matter how bad things get I seem to make it through. And when I feel alone and desperate, it's God I pray to. So even when I may question, deep down inside is my belief and faith. So there you go, I don't mean to preach but for me it's comforting to know I'm never really alone. And while I may not get the answer I seek right away, I have to believe that there are reasons for a possible (no), or (not right now).
Hope this helps, Patty;)

 

brooksidefarm - November 11

"And immediately he {PAUL} proclaimed Jesus in the synagogues, saying, 'He is the Son of God.' And all who heard him were amazed and said, 'Is not this the man who made havoc in Jerusalem of those who called upon his name? And has he not come here for this purpose, to bring them bound before the chief priests?' But Saul increased all the more in strength, and confounded the Jews who lived in Damascus by proving that Jesus was the Christ." Acts 9:20-22. Allow yourself the time to talk with God and ask Him of your doubts. The truth will be revealed to you.
The Bible is the inerrant word of God, written by men he chose for that purpose over millenia, with all of man's sin laid open, with a map of living included.
May Jesus Christ enter all hearts and may all accept his free gift of everlasting life.

 

MandyG - November 11

I believe!! I have felt just as you do, especially when my son was born with a huge cleft palate, blind and deaf, osteo-arthritis, and too many other stuff to include. I remember thinking that God was a jerk to punish my husband and I through the innocence of such a small and perfect (to me) little boy. The hospital he was born at stuck him in a bassinet under the warmer and we were told not too touch him, he was in a separate room from the other newborns and I was given a private room--that was so scarry, NOBODY gets a private room these days. They flew my baby by helicopter and released me the day he was born so I could be with him. At the children's hospital, the social worker asked if I wanted to see a clergy person and I responded "No, but send him anyways." Well, in walked this man wearing a harley davidson tie and I thought, ok, now this is a REALLY sick joke. But when that pastor prayed over my son I truly and honestly felt the Lord put his hands on me. I just knew that my baby boy was going to be okay and that God gave us this little guy because we needed him just as much as he needed us. Everytime I start to doubt God, this exact moment in time comes into my mind, and I know without a doubt that God is still working his magic. We don't have to know why God is doing what he does, we just have to have faith and allow him to use us in any way he wants!! Please Please Pray again and again. You know just as I do that God hears all of our prayers and he will answer them, but only when the time is right.
Also, I go to a huge methodist church that offers more classes than I ever knew existed and I have found classes ranging from how evolution ties into the bible to very traditional bible classes where we read the bible front to back and interpret. Maybe you could reach out to your church family? Its very hard to have to switch from the person that helps to the person that needs help. Maybe this is a lesson our Lord is trying to teach through you????? Just a thought...and I am offering your prayers to my thurs. morn. prayer group as well as praying for you myself.

 

HDBosworth - November 12

Don't turn from God. We all wonder why we have this disease, but the truth of the matter is we are suppose to rely on Him. He has a plan for you and me. I have suffer from unknown pain for years. I continue to press forward knowing somewhere in the mess I am going to glorify my Lord. Recently I feel I need to start a support group for people with Fibromyalgia. I don't know where to start, but I know this is part of His plan.
By the way I am also dealing with multiple pre-cancerous problems, but God will see me through. He love me and He loves you too. Don't give up on His love. You know down deep that He is wanting you to come back to Him and rely on Him.

God Bless,
Hope

 

lorieholtz - November 13

hi martyr,
i know it must feel like god has deserted u in such a time of need, but he's there and will listen to anything and everything u might say. i realized months ago actually about a yr ago that i was the one that had deserted him. i now pray daily and in the most strangest places lol. i do it when ever i feel the need. i really don't ask him to take my pain away, but ask him to help me deal with it. i can say that since i've brought him back into my life and even when my life has been at the lowest... somehow i make it thru the situation. i can say yes alot of my prayers have def been answered, which if u had asked me this earlier of last yr i would have laughed and said no way. i have my best conversations with my god when i'm driving down the road and there is a comforting feeling that comes over me. i'm not sure if you have heard of the sernity prayer, but if you look it up you will find it. i find this prayer really helps alot.... it goes like this "god grant me the serinty to accept the things i can not change, the courgage to change the things i can, and the wisdom to know the difference". in all seriousiness this has helped me to perservere thru some very rough and i mean rough days. when u hear those words it sounds so easy but its not u have to work at it. say that prayer all thru the day if u need to cux i will assure it does help. if it were not for my faith into my loving god as i know him i don't know where i would be today. so all i say is just open your heart and you will find some sort of peace.
god bless and tc
lorie

 

michelle J - November 14

I myself do not feel much if any faith , I'm not no Angel but I have always and still put everyone Before myself and I know I always will , So why did god give me so many medical problems to pull myself through and Later slap me in the face with this one . I guess there is no mercy for no one.

 

Keturah - November 15

Hi Michelle,

I too, thought that if I was a good person and did not intentionally hurt someome then I would be pleasing God, but then someone showed me in God's Word that it is not about me or what I do or did not do. It is all about what He did for us. He came to earth as a man and died on the cross. By doing so He took all of our sin and died so that we may now be reconciled back to God. We just have to believe that with our hearts and mind and thank Him and ask for forgiveness and then we are part of the family of God. Trusting Him and what He did is the key. He does allow us to suffer sometimes because He needs us to ask questions about 'why me?'..so that we can learn the truth. Praying for you..K

 

Canada17 - November 15

The longer I live, the more suffering I see, the more I have a hard time believing in the "Word of God".

Why would a God, as described in the Bible, punish people who aren't evil?

Why do people who do evil things get away with it? Why does it seem like they are given rewards for their bad behaviour?

I find it hard to believe in a God who would allow everyone to take whatever action they want and all is forgiven as long as they ask for it?

It seems to to me that the story of God banishing the Devil from Heaven is a little backwards. It seems more like the Devil is sitting up there pretending to be God and laughing at us.

When people talk about what you have to do in order to be allowed into God's Kingdom, God sounds more like a spiteful child than a loving Father.

If God is real, why would he care more about whether or not you devote your time and Sundays to Him than how you live your life? There is a major loophole is God's "plan": You can do whatever you want, so long as you ask for forgiveness before you die?

I used to believe, and I went to church every week. I found myself questioning what the preacher was preaching...you can't exactly put your hand up and say, "Uh, I don't think so."

While I believe in a higher power, I fail to see how "God" is the be all and end all for our "salvation". The Bible is a lovely story, but so is The Ant And The Grasshopper.

 

bwelladjusted - November 15

Canada17,
I will go ahead and admit that this will be a very long post, and I know I've had two long posts already. But I thought you raised some very legitimate questions that deserved an answer.
Your first question was why would God punish those who aren't evil? And that's a valid question, because the answer will say a lot about who God really is, and if He is really trustworthy and just. If God does indeed punish innocent people for no reason, than you would be right. He would be a spiteful God, and I wouldn't bother to argue otherwise. But there are two perspectives on this question. First, how do we decide who is innocent? Why do we see one person as "evil" and another person as "good"? We're comparing people by our own standards, by what we think good and bad should be. We look at other people and what our culture says is normal and acceptable, and if someone fits that standard, they're "good". If they do things we have generally agreed are wrong, they're "bad". But we're all sinners! None of use are "good". It's like falling in a mud puddle, then looking around and deciding who's the dirtiest. If we see people who are muddier than us, we figure we must be pretty clean by comparison. But we're still dirty! God determined at the very beginning of time what things are good, and what things are evil. And those truths are unchangeable, whether we agree with them or not. Plus, we can only see people's actions, we don't know their thoughts and motives. 1 Samuel 16:7b says "The Lord does not look at the things humans look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart."
So really, none of us are good. We have all been disobedient, and just like a child who disobeys his parent will be punished, we may be punished too. But God isn't punishing us because He takes some twisted pleasure in our suffering, anymore than a parent takes pleasure in spanking a child. He does it to correct us, because He loves us too much to want to see us continue on a deadly path. Sometimes He allows suffering to show a person their need for salvation, but rest assured that God never takes pleasure in our suffering. Not all suffering is a punishment, either. Sometimes it is simply the consequences of our sin, or the sins of those around us. God gave us free choice, and if we choose to sin, we can hardly blame Him when our choices backfire. Secondly, for those who are Christians, there is still no promise that our lives will be easy. In fact, God tells us that living for Him will be difficult. Sometimes suffering in a Christian's life is a means of correction, to cause them to see and repent of the sin in their life. But sometimes it's just part of living in a sinful world. God doesn't remove all difficulty and trials from our lives, but He promises to help us through them. Trials can strengthen our faith, too. James 1:2-4 says "Consider it pure joy when you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance, and when perseverance has finished its work, you will be mature and complete, not lacking anything." As with any relationship, it's easy to love and be faithful during the good times, but you don't know how strong a person's love and commitment are until the hard times come.
Your second question was why do people get away with evil, and are even rewarded for it? Do you know how many people throughout the Bible asked that question? The prophet Jeremiah said " You are always righteous, Lord, when I bring a case before you. Yet I would speak with You about Your justice: Why does the way of the wicked prosper? Why do the faithless live at ease?" (Jer. 12:1) It's a very real concern, and everyone has wondered at some point. Only God knows for certain, but He did give us some assurance in the matter. If you have a Bible or can look online, I would strongly encourage you to read Psalm 37. God tells us not to worry and fret about the wicked, because they will soon wither away and be destroyed. He promises that the wicked will someday vanish, but the righteous will live forever. Psalms 73 and 94 also give a lot of answers on this subject. Another thing to keep in mind is that money and possessions and worldly success do not equal happiness or blessing. God didn't say those who followed Him would have an easy, comfortable life. But we will have all eternity of blessing and comfort, while the evil will spend all of eternity in suffering. Judgement may not come when we want it to, but it does come.
When you said Satan seems to be sitting in heaven laughing at us...you were partly right. No, he isn't in heaven, and never will be, though he wants nothing more. But he does laugh at us...he holds a lot of power over this world and takes incredible delight in seeing people suffer. Theologians have debated for years why God hasn't completely destroyed Satan...why he allows him any power at all. And no one fully comprehends God's reasons...frankly, God doesn't have to explain Himself to us. But one thing most agree on is that God hasn't destroyed Satan because He will not take our free will from us. He has defeated Satan's power over us...if we accept Jesus, satan has no power in our lives. He can't make us do anything. But it's still our choice to accept Christ and defeat Satan's power. If everyone accepted Christ, Satan would have no power in the world. But that isn't the case, and so satan still holds control over many. God could wipe Satan and his demons off the face of the earth, but to do so would remove our free choice. We would HAVE to love and serve God, because satan wouldn't be there to turn us against Him. But God doesn't want us to love Him because we HAVE to. That's not real love. He gave us a free choice, even though He knew we would make wrong choices, because He wanted us to love and serve out of willing hearts, not be His robots.
You also asked if we can do whatever we want in life, and just ask for forgiveness before we die. This is not a straightforward yes or no question. Again, God looks at the heart of a man. There is no sin that is unforgivable to God. No matter what we have done in our lives, even if it is truly horrific, God can and will forgive us. Jesus died to free us so we could be forgiven of any and every sin. He paid the price for our sin (death), so we wouldn't have to. So, yes, no matter what we have done in our lives, we can always repent and be forgiven by God. However, God is not fooled. He knows when we are truly repentant and sorry for our sin, and when we're just looking for an easy out. Saying the words "I'm sorry" doesn't mean that you really are. True repentance is when we are overwhelmed with grief over our sin, we see them as evil and turn from them. It involves a changed heart, and a changed life. If we're really sorry for something, we're going to try not to do it again. On the other hand, if we know what we're doing is wrong all along, don't care, and figure we'll just say "I'm sorry, please forgive me" at the end of our lives, then no, we are not forgiven. Because we aren't really sorry, and our hearts are not really changed. Many people are turned off by Christians because they see them as hypocrites. No Christian is perfect. Just because we're forgiven, doesn't mean we don't still make mistakes. But an important thing to remember is that not everyone who says they are a Christian really is. They might say the right words, but God knows their heart.
This leads me to the question of whether God care more about us devoting our time and Sundays to Him than how we live our lives. This is absolutely NOT true. You may see humans who live this way, but it is not the way God told us to live. The entire Bible is filled with instructions on how to live, especially the New Testament. But He didn't give us these instructions as an endless list of rules to follow to win His approval, either. He wants us to know Him...what pleases and displeases Him, what makes Him happy and makes Him weep. Our faith is what saves us. Ephesians 2:8-9 says "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can brag." And Romans 3:28 says "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith, apart from observing the law."
Our actions and good deeds cannot save us, only faith in God and what His son Jesus did for us can. But this is not to say that God doesn't care how we live our lives. Galatians 5:13 says "You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another humbly in love." Ephesians 2:10 says " We are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." God cares VERY much how we live our lives. Although faith alone saves us, if we have faith we will want to do good works. Think about it. You can do lots of nice things for a person, but that doesn't necessarily mean you love them. But if you love them, wouldn't you want to do things that make them happy? I sure wouldn't believe someone who said they loved me, but never showed it. That's what the bible says about faith. You can do lots of good works and not have faith. But if you have faith, you will want to do good works. When Christ comes into your heart, you are completely changed. (Not perfect, but changed.)2 Corinthians 5:17 says " Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has gone, the new is here!" We are filled with new desires...desires to serve and please God and share Him with others. Galatians 5:22-23 lists the fruits of the spirit: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There's a reason they're called fruit, not seeds. You don't start with these things, and obtain salvation and faith. When the seed of faith is planted in your heart, and you are growing in God, these "fruits" come from the heart.
I hope this post has helped a little. You may not agree with me, and I may not have stated everything as well as someone wiser than me could have. But I hope you can see the sincerity of my heart. In the end, faith is not something that can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. That's why it's called faith. But it isn't a blind faith, either. You are obviously a very intelligent person, and you've put quite a bit of thought into your questions. You really seem to want answers, so don't take just my answers. Search for yourself, and don't stop searching until you have found the truth. The funny thing about fibro is that it usually forces us to slow down in life. It took a while for me to see it this way, but now I see my fibro as a gift from God. Hopefully not a permanent one (I'm still praying for a cure), but for this season of my life, it has been a gift. It has given me time to think, consider my life and my heart, and grow closer to God. This is what is meant by suffering strengthening our faith. Though some days I get incredibly frustrated, my faith truly has been strengthened as I have had to rely on God, and not myself. I have grown to love God more than I ever have before, and am trying to use this season of my life growing closer to Him.
I really hope you find the answers that you're looking for, Canada17.

 

Canada17 - November 16

bewelladjusted,

I read your post in full, and I thank you for taking the time to share your insight.

I can't deny that you have faith, and it obviously gives you strength. Perhaps I should be more specific and say that I don't believe in God the way the Bible puts it. I have gone to many different Churches and went with an open mind. The thing that gets me has to do with the following, you wrote:

"...if we accept Jesus, Satan has no power in our lives. He can't make us do anything. But it's still our choice to accept Christ and defeat Satan's power. If everyone accepted Christ, Satan would have no power in the world."

Many people of faith believe, and I suppose they have to, that their God is the only God. It just isn't true. The remarkable similarities between Christianity, Judaism, and Muslim religions is uncanny. Even Paganism and Native American religions should be included in this.

My problem and basis for the statement that the Bible was written by a man is rooted in the violence surrounding religion. Why would a God invoke in any human the idea to kill anyone not devoted to Him? How is it ok to kill as long as you do it in God's name?

This has been the problem from the beginning, your beliefs vs. my beliefs. Why have we not had some sign from a God that visited us thousands of years ago? Faith requires us to believe in things that we cannot see and frankly can't necessarily comprehend. But there are far too many restrictions on where we are allowed to turn to find the answers.

 

mypain - November 16

I believe in God and I think maybe God has a different plan for you. Maybe you are to inspire people with FM. Maybe become a penpal for someone who has life more difficult than you or I. I can give you some examples. My sister has chronic progessive MS. She is 44 years old and has been bedridden for 14 years. My mom takes care of her and in April my mom was diagnosed with stage 4 liver, lung and bone cancer. So in a very short time, my life has been turned up side down. But it is my faith that keeps me going, that keeps me from feeling sorry for myself, that gives me the hope for tomorrow and the ability to thank God everyday for the time that I have with my mom and my sister. Everyone at work doesn't understand my positive attitude. God may be "working" on your heart, before he works on your pain. God has not forsaken us! He is very much alive!! We go on, because God has a plan for us. I would pick up the Bible and reconnect with your faith. Don't ask God to heal your pain, ask God to heal you and then I am certain that your pain will ease. God is with me everyday. I believe with all of my heart that my mom will very likely not be healed. And you know what? That is OK. My mom hasn't seen her mom since she was 16! She hasn't seen her father for 20 years. When the time is ready, I want her to be with her parents. I have had my mom for 43 years and when God takes her to, I will miss her more than you know...but I will be so very happy for her to be with her mom and dad...Sometimes when you take the focus off of you and put your energy in your faith and on someone who has it worse than you....things change...

I hope this helps and I will pray for you. We all need to be praying for each other.

God Bless You

 

luvzminis - November 17

I believe God allows us to suffer for a reason. How much compassion do we have now compared to before we had this disease? I know I'm a much more caring person, and I'm more ready to listen to others and their pain and problems. Perhaps God is cleansing us of our sins and the many sins of this world in this way. I'm holding onto hope although I have been tried MANY times in this life. I think we have to remember He says "those who remain faithful..." and so many other verses such as "blessed are those who have not seen but have believed.." (sorry--I'm not one to memorize verses, but you hopefully get the idea.) I try to offer up my pain and challenges to help others. It's like offering a prayer. I just say "Lord, this is for..." Try it--I think it will help! Blessings.

 

martyr - November 17

JEEZ LOUISE people RE-LAX!!!!! WOW!! I was only kidding when I wrote that post! hahahhahahaa I didn't think I'd stir up the wrath of god and all the fires of hell!! hahahahahaha

 

Canada17 - November 17

martyr,

You were only joking? A little unnecessary, don't you think?

A lot of people put a lot of thought and effort into responding to your question. Considering we are all suffering from FM, I don't know if I can speak for everyone else, but I certainly don't like to waste my time and effort.

 

hesmyeverything - November 20

Well, i just joined tonight, and what a thread to start with..When people are in pain and hurting and there's no relief, I'm not surprised people lash out at god..I hear a lot of "if god were a loving god, he wouldn't allow all this sadness, pain, hurting and evil that goes on" I've heard it said, that we are removing god from schools, courthouses, everywhere we turn, what do we expect? he's not going to force himself on us, we kick him out of everything, and then wonder why he allows our suffering as a nation, it's no big surprise to me.

Our pastor once said he knows his wife could be instantly healed of her ms (wheelchair bound), but she has witnessed to probably hundreds or thousands of people over the past 20 years, so there is a reason for everything. He marvels at all the people his wife has led to the lord through her illness and her strength through it.

Anyways, the pain i go through is bearable because i have him in my life,and iknow he hears me when i cry, and he knows my heart, when i'm too tired or weak to cry, he gives me the strength when i need it.

Alright, i have to go read some more of these wonderful threads. :)

 

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