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4 months on guaifenisten
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FibroDale - December 5

And I am getting better. My FMS was so bad that I took 2 months off work...between the pain and the IBS issues I was afraid to leave my house. I started the guaifenisen protocol 12 Aug and I've had these improvemens: 8-27 gums stopped bleeding, 9-2 hair stopped falling out, 9-6 DREAMED, 9-28 IBS 95% improved, 10-29 rough skin on face smooth back to normal and best of all 11-3 I SLEPT ALL NIGHT(these improvements are consistent)and my short term memory is improving. My pain goes up and down, the improvement with pain is not consistent but is suppose to gradually improve over time so that there are more days with less pain and less days with more pain. I've seen enough improvement that I know it will happen given time. If you want to check it out google Dr. St Amand (fibromyalgiatreatment)info is completely free and he explains why it works.


Canada17 - December 5

What wonderful news! I am so happy to hear you are doing better with your FM.

I have done a little reading on guaifensin use in FM patients and what I have found is inconclusive as to it's efficacy.

I feel the following should be shared in conjunction with your post:

a consumer alert on the Fibromyalgia Network's website (fmnetnews . com / resources - alert - product6 . php) states that Dr. St. Amand's claims of guaifenesin's effects on fibromyalgia are groundless, and cites double blind research by Robert Bennett, M.D. which found no significant differences between guaifenesin and a placebo in terms of any effect on fibromyalgia or its markers.


axxie - December 6

I'm with Canada17 on this.


FibroDale - December 7

The only thing wrong with their double blind study is that they did not require the participants to follow the protocol to the letter. They allowed them to use and consume products that block the guaifenisten. There was a lab this summer trying to find a blood test for fibromyalgia that proved the guaifenisten works by the changes it made in the blood of those who used it properly.


Canada17 - December 7

The following is borrowed from the same article I mentioned above:

Consumer Alerts

Guaifenesin is a cough syrup expectorant, but there is a popular theory that it works to help with the pain and other symptoms of fibromyalgia. Now that guaifenesin is also available over-the-counter, it is all the more important that patients be armed with the research on this study. Yes, there was a research study conducted to look at the potential effect of guaifenesin in people with fibromyalgia. Due to the negative results, the study was never published in a peer-review medical journal (so it is not on PubMed), but Fibromyalgia Network interviewed the lead author of the study and wrote the article "Guaifenesin ... Is One Placebo Better Than Another?" below.

After the study showed that guaifenesin performed no better than a placebo, and the blood/urine tests revealed that it could not possibly work as suggested by Paul St. Amand, M.D., the guaifenesin controversy is still alive. Despite St. Amand’s role as advisor for the study design (he selected the doses, etc.), he has since published a book on how guaifenesin can "cure" people with fibromyalgia. There is also a new cosmetic line that does not contain salicylates (vigorously marketed to people trying the quaifenesin protocol as outlined in St. Amand’s book). It is just one example of how marketing "cures" for fibromyalgia without a shred of evidence can add to the wealth of some. The promise of a "cure" sells books, but it also tarnishes the reputation of people with this chronic illness and damages their relationships. With so many bogus cures in the media, patients have a difficult time explaining to family and friends why it is that they are not going to pay for this or that to "cure" themselves!
Guaifenesin - Is One Placebo Better Than Another?

At the 1996 Orlando American College of Rheumatology meeting, Robert Bennett, M.D., presented the results of his one-year placebo-controlled trial of guaifenesin, a common ingredient in cough syrups. The Oregon Health and Science University professor from Portland posed the following question at the opening of his speech: "Why on earth would someone choose to study an expectorant for the treatment of fibromyalgia?" Bennett says: "The answer lies in the realm of popular demand."

For years, guaifenesin has been promoted as a cure for fibromyalgia. The theory behind the use of this drug is to rid the muscles, tendons, joints, brain, intestines and other tissues of harmful calcium phosphate deposits. These deposits, similar to tartar buildup on teeth, were speculated to be caused by an inherited defect in kidney function that would ordinarily flush the phosphate molecules into the urine where they belonged. Instead, these deposits were believed to cause serious impediment of blood flow to these tissues, resulting in an impairment of vital cellular functions throughout the body. Naturally, if this were truly the case, it could explain the widespread pain and bodywide dysfunction that fibromyalgia patients have.

Drugs that can draw the phosphate deposits out of the body should be able to correct this inherited defect. It has been claimed that guaifenesin works on the kidneys to mildly increase the excretion of uric acid and possibly to increase phosphate excretion. Thus, it was hypothesized that drugs which increased uric acid secretion (uricosuric agents) could also increase phosphate secretion and vice versa. Given the above hypothesis and the reported actions of guaifenesin, everything seems to fit into place.

Numerous and extensive muscle studies, including those by seasoned researcher Muhammad Yunus, M.D., of University of Illinois College of Medicine, have never revealed or even hinted that calcium phosphate deposits were a problem in fibromyalgia. Elaborate muscle metabolic studies such as the 1993 one by Boston University researcher Robert Simms, M.D., turned up nothing, not even with the use of modern NMR spectroscopy. Intuitively, if large crystalline deposits were present throughout the muscles in patients with fibromyalgia, you would think that they would show up in at least one study involving the muscles, wouldn't you?

Bennett evaluated all study participants every three months for symptoms, tender points and serum/urinary levels of uric acid and phosphates. None of these variables significantly changed over the year and the response to guaifenesin was the same as that for the placebo. Now, what about the claims on the Internet and elsewhere that this study was fatally flawed because patients might have used cosmetics and other topical products that contain salicylates? Dr. Bennett provided six scientifically based reasons to toss out this claim:

1. Both the serum and urinary levels of uric acid and phosphate were all in the normal range and no change was noted over time.
2. If some patients were taking small amounts of salicylates by whatever method, there should have been a significantly reduced urinary excretion and elevated serum level of uric acid, but this was not observed.
3. Dermatology consultants to Dr. Bennett have explained that patients would have to plaster their face with makeup several times a day to absorb enough salicylates to affect their urinary excretion of uric acid.
4. Only in the last year have the proponents of guaifenesin therapy learned that cosmetics sometimes contain salicylates, yet they have been stating for years that this drug is a cure for fibromyalgia (without ever controlling for cosmetic use).
5. The claimed "cycling of symptoms" was not observed in this study.
6. Lastly, guaifenesin was not found to increase uric acid or phosphate excretions. Thus the postulated action of guaifenesin—the reason cited for its effectiveness—could not be demonstrated.


FibroDale - December 8

My results are real, I'm not using anything else. I was excited to let others suffering know that there is something that works but for all those who choose to believe what a drug company funded site, which is biased on the side of keeping you on their drugs, wants to say...go ahead, believe them and not the results.

I wish you all the best in your endeavors to get better and hope you find something that works for you. Bye


Canada17 - December 8

I am happy that you are getting results from taking this. However, my point is that what it is reported as doing, it does not do. For whatever reason you are feeling results, it isn't because of what they said it would do: remove excess calcium phosphate from your system. That much they have proven.

And just who do you think produces guaifenisten? A farmer? No, it's a drug company. So regardless of whether or not the site I quoted is funded by drug companies, guaifenisten is produced by one.

And if this guaifenisten really is as effective as it is reported to be, then why wouldn't all of us have been prescribed it by our care providers? Along with Lyrica, Savella, and Cymbalta (all the other meds currently used to treat FM). Because unlike Lyrica, Savella, and Cymbalta there has been no evidence to conclude that it is.

As for believing "them" and not the results. I am believing the results - they show this is not an effective treatment for FM anymore than a placebo is.


chucksusanandgrace - December 10

Awesome, I am so glad it helps you. There may be studies that say it doesn't help. BUT, if it helps you, then it helps you! I am so glad you have found something to help.

Thank God and thank you for sharing.


snowflurree - February 12

I am happy for your sharing of your story and do in fact intend to try the guaifenesin. It' silly not to try whatever may help with the pain. Good lord, I have already tried and taken enough of all kinds of things in quanities that would drop a horse. I do know about the special agenda that drug companies have. Just like doctors will not tell you about even the remotest possibilities that a natural remedy may help. That is because a lot of doctors get special financial incentives to prescribe certain drugs. Oh yes this is true. Again, thank you for sharing.


Noca - February 12

The power of the placebo effect is really strong it seems. Researches suggest the placebo effect is partly just the body releasing endorphins of which can kill pain and increase mood as well as treat other illnesses.



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