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Fibromyalgia and plantar fasciitis?
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purpleheather - June 26

I have been taking Duloxetine since November last year and this really helps. Initially I felt like an entirely new woman, although the initial side effects are dreadful and last about 10 days, however your body gets used to the medication and also you tend to push yourself more since you feel better, which means that you feel less good six months down the line; I still feel much better than before the medication and can do so much more, although if I forgot to take the full dose the aches and pains and particularly PF come back immediately. It's a SSNRI (selective serotonin and noradrenaline reuptake inhibitor) so it helps with energy levels and clears a fuzzy head. PF is caused by inflammation and toxins that descend to the feet. Fibro is also partially caused by toxins, there's the link. Our feet get overloaded with toxins as our circulation can't clear them since we spend so much time on them and gravity gets in the way.

 

sandances - June 26

Yesterday I finally went to Foot Solutions today which was recommended to me by a friend and had great one-on-one service for 2 hours. They really did an in depth hands on analysis of my feet, my walk, and used a computer to see how the weight distributed across my feet when I am standing and walking. They helped me more than the doctor and the physical therapist with my feet. I learned that my feet are not flat, as I was previously told, but that I actually have high arches! However, my feet are hyper-flexible, especially my right foot(perhaps from years of dancing)and they flatten out a lot when I stand. My right foot is a size 6 when sitting and a size 8 when standing. A difference of 2 sizes! (My left foot changes by only a half size) So I got some really good shoes and inserts. The specialist said it's very important for me to wear the shoes IN THE HOUSE, especially when I am doing housework, particularly because we have ceramic tile which is very hard on the joints. I have degenerative disc disease and the specialist also explained that the heel support in the shoes is very important in back support. I have never been one to spend much money on shoes, but I knew when I could barely walk because I was in so much pain after spending a day at the zoo, that I needed to do something. So I am hopeful about these shoes. I'll let you all know how it works out. It will be awhile before my feet and body get used to the shoes. I have a schedule to follow on wearing the shoes.

 

canadian - June 26

You make a good point about both being toxin-related.
However if that drug is an anti-depressant, as you know, it helps in other ways, but it doesn't resolve plantar fasciitis. I'm still opposed to psychopharmacology but that's a personal choice.
If and when the fasciae tears, those tissues can carry toxins which spill over to the nerves causing pain. That part I agree. However, PF is more mechanical than that. Yes I know high arches,too much or too little exercises provokes PF. But since the vast vast majority of PF patients are not FMS, and perhaps only very few FMS patients develop PF I still at the stage of separating those 2.

I got the expensive customized insoles and no help. The nightsplints do help. In my case exercises aggravate it. I'm now experimenting with accunpuncture and later on with shockwave.
Thanks for your reply!

 

canadian - June 26

Hi sandances,

I too have been wondering about leg length. You relate PF with that not FMS (mispelling?). Want to mesure mine, have been told it takes a scanning of lower limbs. How and who mesured your legs to detect the difference?

Absolutely agree with good shoes. I find New Balance offer the greatest support for PF. Studies show no difference between customized and pharmacy insoles, and I bought the costly type and now realize the high sponges I was using were better and cheap.
Does anyone also have bone spurs? my naturopath suggests soaking feet in half water and half white vinegar(boil) then as hot as you can tolerate (2ice a day). The weirdest thing is that I have severe PF pain but the pain intensity shifts from one foot to the other (1yr the left, then now the right). Do you relate to this?

 

sandances - June 26

I always thought my left leg was shorter than the other as I had to have my pants hemmed a half inch shorter on the left. However, when I had my legs measured by a physical rehabilitation specialist and a physical therapist and both said that my legs were the same length. It didn't require any fancy scanning. The problem was actually that one hip was elevated. The PT I worked with did a great job correcting that although it did take a few months of PT.

I do have FMS. I was diagnosed by a rheumatologist officially a year ago but I know that I had it for several years before being diagnosed. It took a long to time to find a sympathetic rheumatologist. I was also diagnosed with PF as well. For a time it was so bad that I could actually feel the fascia snapping like a rubberband under my foot. The doctor recommended stretching the calves particularly before bed and that does help. I probably have equal pain in my feet but I have more sciatic nerve pain on my left side (pain in my back radiating down my leg)

 

canadian - June 27

Thanks sandances and good luck too.
Somehow I still can't convince myself in a correlation between the 2. The best orthopedic surgeon I saw claimed only that fibro patients take double time to reduce inflamations and PF is mainly that. Research on the genesis of PF point to psoriasis arthritis which some rheumatological research also claimed as synonymous with FMS. In my case I'd say my FMS evolved into chronic fatigue (pain goes away on average after 5 yrs). Of course I worked hard on battling the former by eliminating stress, reducing formaldehyde/toxins/pollutions/chemicals, and altering my lifestyle and diet. I mention the above for subsequent readers new to FMS. PF is worse because one can't walk, but I'm determined to fight it head-on!

 

annarnusa - July 11

HI CANADIAN THIS IS ANNARNUSA, I DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING DONE BY DR.HERZOG, YOU MAY HAVE READ SOMEBODY ELSES'S POST OR POSTED YOUR COMMENT ON MINE ACCIDENTALLY. BUT IF YOU FIND OUT ABOUT HIM AND HE HAS HELPED SOMEONE I WOULD BE GLAD TO HEAR IT. SORRY I COULD NOT HELP!

 

canadian - July 11

There is a lady on this thread that he cured, pls read it. I phoned his office and the staff is extremely unhelpful. Dr Herzog may not be aware of the poor quality of his employees.

Google him and see his video. I have more faith in PRP than in any other treatment like shockwave or prolotherapy. He charges $500 a treatment or your insurance pays.

I don't think-given his lazy staff-I can schedule treatment from Canada.
You can phone him and try if you wish.

ALSO I FIND THIS SITE IMPOSSIBLE (I cannot post in right sections, hard to navigate, so I'm leaving this site). There seems no interest to discuss PF either. Reach me at xokolatenoir at yahoo dot com

 

trippen - July 25

Ohhh yess I'm dealing with that right now , it's making it difficult to work .

 

trippen - July 25

As a matter of fact there's times when I stand up I'm about to hit the floor the pain is so bad . It's gotten to the tops of my feet and into the toes .

 

trippen - July 25

^YA but with my stomach problems I can't take IB anymore , the doc prescribes naproxin but that doesn't help at all .

 

trippen - July 25

What do you mean by crunchy ? I know with my toes they feel like there gonna break off .

 

January - July 29

Hi all. I don't have PF, but I recently read some articles about natural medicine. Some people said they had "painful feet" and the pain was relieved when they soaked their feet in organic vinegar. Dr. Bragg's Organic Vinegar is something I can get at my health food store, I don't know if that would work - but it's worth a try!

 

purpleheather - July 30

Hi, my physiotherapist said that the mechanical part comes in when the toxins cause inflammation of the fasciae which leads to the pain. Removing toxins, both by gentle exercise, rolling the foot over a tennis ball or something similar, will help to dissipate the toxins, and elevating the foot whenever possible helps the lymphatic system to remove these from the body. The problem is putting one's feet up often enough since life is so budy for everybody these days. In reply to January's message, I will try the organic vinegar. I am also going to try the foot detox pads to try to remove toxins directly rather than relying on my lymphatic system which is already struggling to cope!

 

canadian - July 30

The toxins probability is plausible, and working on reducing it makes sense. Diet change and avoiding chemicals and extreme pollution.

I don't believe in vinegar reaching the calcaneus. Good for fungi in nails,etc.

I've been better, and is it due to extra calcium (high quality liquid) I've been taking? I don't know.

 

January - August 2

As always, it boils down to proper diagnosis, and if you can find out what is causing your pain, you can track down a proper treatment! I don't have the painful feet, but some friends do. I'd be interested to hear if vinegar helps anybody. There may be some way the acid in it helps to detox - but i have no idea how or why it works for some people! Good luck if you try it!

 

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