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Well, i just joined tonight, and what a thread to start with..When people are in pain and hurting and there's no relief, I'm not surprised people lash out at god..I hear a lot of "if god were a loving god, he wouldn't allow all this sadness, pain, hurting and evil that goes on" I've heard it said, that we are removing god from schools, courthouses, everywhere we turn, what do we expect? he's not going to force himself on us, we kick him out of everything, and then wonder why he allows our suffering as a nation, it's no big surprise to me.

Our pastor once said he knows his wife could be instantly healed of her ms (wheelchair bound), but she has witnessed to probably hundreds or thousands of people over the past 20 years, so there is a reason for everything. He marvels at all the people his wife has led to the lord through her illness and her strength through it.

Anyways, the pain i go through is bearable because i have him in my life,and iknow he hears me when i cry, and he knows my heart, when i'm too tired or weak to cry, he gives me the strength when i need it.

Alright, i have to go read some more of these wonderful threads. :)

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I felt sad when I read your post. I couldn't get through each day with Fibromyalgia without God. Please don't pray to patron saints, they won't help you. God hasn't forsaken you sweetheart, we live in a fallen world and 'stuff' happens. We are not promised that we won't get sickness and neither are we promised that God will heal everything (we all die ultimately)but we are promised when we committ our lives to Him we will be given strength to cope. I am not sure how to do it but I am happy to get my email to you so you can 'talk' to me when you need someone. I have had Fibromyalgia for around 25 years now so I understand totally how you feel, but being a Christian is not about visiting people (although that is nice) its about trusting God and believing in Him even when you are going through trials and tribulations and being obedient to Him and especially reading the Bible. If you can't do that there are plenty of ways you can listen to the Bible being read. Blessings

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Oh dear I just read your post where you said you were only kidding. What a selfish thing to do when so many people went out of their way to try and help you. I cannot understand why you would do that.

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It's easy to believe in God when everything is going well. But is that really faith? If God is in everything, God is even in your pain. We are taught from the time we can understand that certain things are "good" and others are "bad." When we fall down and scrape our knee, our parents fuss and worry and we learn that this thing call "pain" is a BAD thing. We are taught to avoid it and fear it. I truly believe that our souls call experiences to us. We are going through exactly what we need to be, in order to grow in God. Everyone has pain. Some people, like fibromites, are challenged with literal, physical pain, and the emotional suffering that comes with it. Some of us are raped, tortured, beaten, abused. Some of us have depression. Some of us are stuck in marriages we don't want, and that is our pain. Everyone is going through something. I see no reason for us to feel pity. Empathy, sure. But we are not martyrs, none of us. We are blessed to experience life. Our minds are infinitely powerful, as are our perceptions. You can see your illness as an opportunity to lose faith in God and perpetuate despair in your life. Or, you can view it as a blessing: an opportunity for your soul to grow, through these growing pains, closer and closer to All That Is.

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I am so sorry you are feeling this way. I too have had my moments of anger towards God. What I have found is that He is there when no one else is. He is who comforts me through my pain, although he does not always relieve it. He is who sits with me and comforts me through an anxiety attack in a public place, sometimes I am relieved quickly, sometimes not, but I can always feel Him with me. He is who carries me and strengthens me when I am so fatigued I feel as if I cannot function, and know that three children depend only on me. I have had so many days spent sitting on the pity pot, wondering why me. But what I have finally realized, is why not me? Only through trial and error, have I found that giving thanks and showing gratitude for anything and everything I can possibly latch onto that is positive in my life is a huge key for me to keep God close in my life, and to maintain a decent attitude most of the time. When I get really low, I tell myself, "Better me than someone else", and that maybe, just maybe because I am suffering, maybe just maybe, someone else isnt. He never said it would be easy. He only said it will be worth it. Life and all its pain is but a knot in an endless string.

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It is wonderful that you feel that way. But it is your faith, not God, who gets you through. It is your unwavering love for something inexplicable that comforts you. At least, that is my opinion.

I will never deny the power of faith. But is it God who helps the woman lift a car off her child or adrenaline?

I think the power that faith has over us allows us to push through anything because we believe there is an end to the means. And that in the end, it will all have been worth it.

But I don't necessarily believe that it is God who will be waiting for me. I think there are lessons and simple gifts along the path of life, and I think those are what make it worth it. And without pain, we wouldn't know to cherish them. Just like without loss, we wouldn't know how precious the people in are lives really are.

I do have faith, but not in God as the Bible puts it.

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I think it's so cool that this came up, our sunday school lesson this morning was about, giving god the credit, instead of saying, I did it, I worked hard, I have the gift to do that..Where do we think that strength, and gifts, and abilities come from? God created us, and he gave us all different gifts, some are surgeons, some are preachers, some are missionaries, Everything we have is his, he is only letting us borrow it for the short time we are on this earth. We won't take any of it to the other side, no money, no cars, no houses, no material possessions, those are all left behind.

Personally, if i didn't know 100% that god would be waiting for me, i would see no point. that IS the point, that after living here, going through struggles, temptations, sadness, etc....that we can have eternal life with him after we are gone from this earth.

In order to have faith, you have to have faith in something,it is my faith in god that gets me through. Not something inexplicable, maybe that is how i used to feel, but not since i asked for his forgiveness of my sins, and asked him to come into my heart, that he became real to me. Sometimes i think it takes a sickness to bring us to that place where we realize we need him to help us through.

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hesmyeverything,
Thank you for your comments...it's so encouraging to have other Christians on this site. I completely agree about it sometimes taking an illness or trial to bring us to the place where we truly recognize our need for God. I've been a Christian for over 8 years, I was raised and home-schooled in a Christian family, and deeply rooted in the Christian faith. I was born-again, living a very set-apart life, but not really growing in my relationship with Christ. I was still trying to control my own life, and have my own plans for the future. It was only once I got sick, and lost a lot of the activities and achievements that I had relied on to feel secure and successful that I discovered my Jesus in a way I had never known Him before. In a way, my fibro was a gift. It gave me more time, fewer distractions, and a greater dependence upon my King. I have developed a deeper, closer relationship with Him than I have ever had before, spent more time in His presence, and learned to trust Him to turn my life into something beautiful.
Thanks for the encouragement. Sometimes it helps just to remember that there are other people going through the same thing. :)

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I believe in God, I just hate him thats all.

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bwelladjusted,

I'm glad there are other christians on here as well, thank you for your kind words. I agree with everything you said, always nice to have the support of others with fms, and also other believers.

Noca, I hope and pray you really don't hate him, although he has broad shoulders, and he understands your frustration, i'm sure it grieves his heart, that you hate him, and despite that, he still loves you. I've been mad at god more times than i care to admit here on this board, but i also know that during my anger, and frustration with him, for the things he allows me to go through, he knew my heart, and knew while i was ranting and raving, that i still loved him, and once i calmed down, and told him i was sorry, i felt better. We are like children in his eyes, throwing a tantrum, and then he hugs us and it's all better (that's how it is for me, anyways) I'll pray for you.

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norca...even though you say you hate Him..He loves you more than anyone on earth could..He loves you so much that He died for you. Life can be very hard and cruel and difficult to walk alone. With Christ, life is still hard and cruel but He gives you peace and joy and you can face any trial...praying for you Norca...Ket

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kiwi and canada,

I wasn't being spiteful or hateful or childish, or anything I'm being accused of. If you're such religious people, you should be kinder to me. I only wrote that because I get sick of bible thumpers pushing their views on others is all. Hey Noca, believe what you want. These people think they may have a hot line to God, but um, NOT!

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martyr,

I stated that your question was unnecessary if you weren't serious, that a lot of people put a lot of thought and effort into answering a valid question and for you to say you were only joking, belittled that effort.

I wasn't being unkind. Did you read all my posts? When did I say I was a religious person? And for that matter, when did I call you spiteful, hateful, or childish?

Perhaps before you start pointing fingers, you should take a look in the mirror. Because regardless of whether or not you believe in God, you must have some sort of moral compass.

And even though I do not believe in God, I wouldn't try to discredit what others believe. A "hot line" to God is prayer. If you believe in God, you believe that he can hear your prayers but it is up to him to decide whether or not you really need what you are praying for. Don't try to take that away from people by stating: "Hey Noca, believe what you want. These people think they may have a hot line to God, but um, NOT!"

That statement is even more unnecessary than you revealing that your original question was a joke.

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Oh Jeez, relax already! Maybe we'd all feel less pain if we learned to laugh at ourselves and not take everything, especially religion, so seriously.

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martyr,

Religion is what gets a lot of people through the pain and suffering of many things, including FM.

I think most of us are able to laugh at ourselves, and need to, because of the problems associated with our FM. Things like Fibro Fog, balance issues, short-term memory loss - all instill in us a need to look at the lighter side of things.

Religion, no matter how YOU view it, is a serious thing to a lot of people. While you may think I am getting my knickers in a knot responding to your thoughtless comments, it is quite the opposite.

There are people on here who may feel thwarted by your comments because they thought you were being honest in asking the question you did. While I may not entirely agree with the basis of religion, that does not mean I will not defend those on here who believe in God.

Noca's comments are serious ones, to feel hatred towards God, whether you believe in him or not, can be detrimental to managing your pain. Hate is a strong emotion and causes stress and anxiety which only make our symptoms worse.

Maybe you should take these forums more seriously instead of laughing at us who do.

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After re-reading your original post and taking into consideration your most replies to what people have been responding I've come to the following conclusion:

Your revelation that your OP was a joke seems to have more to do with the fact that you are unsatisfied with the fact that someone didn't offer up some patron saint for you to pray to to heal you of your FM than that you think we're all a bunch of bible thumpers pushing our religion on you. I thought this thread was about God, so why would people not talk about God?

If you *were* a very religious person, then you would know that God only gives you what you can handle, and that God has a special purpose and reason for everything. Why, if you were such a religious person, would you forsake God? God did not forsake you, He just didn't heal you. And yet you go on to say you don't believe in Him, even those who "hate" Him, believe He is there, just that He is not listening.

What makes you so special that you should be cured of your FM but not all the rest of us? If a parent gives something to one child, every other child would expect it too.

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No, I'm NOT religious, and NO I don't believe in patron saints. But, I do believe you need to unknot your knickers, you're going to give yourself a fibro flare!!!!

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What I don't understand is why you are contradicting yourself. If you don't believe in patron saints, then why did you ask for one? Oh, right, because you were joking. Ok, got it.

Now that we have established that you don't actually care if anyone believes in God, perhaps you should remove yourself from the discussion as there are a great number of people on here who do LOVE God, who are religious, and who are probably praying for you.

As for giving myself a fibro-flare - do you expect to incite this kind of reaction out of me? Or are you actually concerned for my well-being? Your insensitivity on the subject of God has me believing the latter is probably untrue.

Don't be patronizing. I can handle myself.

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oh ok, that makes me feel so happy for you:) And, btw, may the peace of the lord be with you!!

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Thank you for your kind words, martyr, however insincere they may be.

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Ok, guys, let's refer back to my earlier post, that god sees us as children, and a lot of times we act like children....ahem.....is anyone listening?? LOL, just trying to lighten the mood a little.

God said to let our lights shine, maybe we should ALL try that..we can say anything we like, but sometimes the tone we use, doesn't match what we're saying....

Please don't argue to be mean to each other. We are all in the same boat here, we have that in common, let's just think positive thoughts and pray for physical strength for one another. :)

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hesmyeverything - sounds good to me :)

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God wasn't lying when he said we were made in his image. We are generally selfish and greedy and so is God. He didn't get enough praise from his creation of Angels(they predated us) that he had to create an entire another race, human beings, to worship him at the expense of our ENDLESS suffering.

Worse yet, if we don't worship him, we are sent to hell for eternity. I cannot think of a more selfish being in this universe than God. Another selfish act of his is that he didn't care about those who DON'T want to exist forever in Heaven nor Hell such as myself. The only escape from existing forever is to have never been born in the first place, a solution which i cannot use.

I could write an entire 1000 page novel on how much I hate God and how selfish of a being he is, but I'll save that for another time when my pain allows.

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Noca,

I am so sorry for what you're going through, it obviously has had an adverse effect on you, and i am sorry for that.

I don' think a god who came to earth in human form, and endured the pain and torture inflicted on him, and took all our sins onto himself, and was nailed to a cross, to ensure we would spend eternity in paradise, should be called selfish. Dying for someone else is the most selfless thing that can be done.

If he were really cruel, he could force us to love and obey him, but he doesn't, the one thing he gave us was free will, to decide on our own. I think he deserves our worship for dying for us, when he didn't need to, he could have called angels to release him so he wouldn't have to have been crucified, but he didn't. he could've saved himself, and left us to suffer in hell, but that was not his will, his will is for all of us to be saved and go to heaven with him. I love him because of what he did for me, not because i'm forced to, I worship him because he died for me, and loved me that much, that he gave his life for mine.

I'm sure something has happened to you, to cause you to feel the way you do. It sounds as if you wished you had never been born, and that makes me sad. I'm still going to pray for you, whether you want me to or not.

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hesmyeverything, why should I thank God for fixing a problem HE MADE(dying on the cross for our sins that he created us with)? Its like being thankful that I said sorry and fix your car after I just smashed it into pieces.

As for Christ's death, there has been people who have died worse deaths for other reasons as well as for those they love. Its nothing special only difference is, the other people who died horrible deaths were human and not a god.

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One last thing for when you said "If he were really cruel, he could force us to love and obey him, but he doesn't, the one thing he gave us was free will, to decide on our own."

He doesnt really give us an option to love him. He says love me or ill send you to Hell to rot for enternity. Its like me saying "sure you can say 'no" to me but I will have to shoot you with this gun if you choose 'no'" Is that really a choice? No it isnt.

Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whif of science or a dose of common sense.

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My god is NOT fragile, he's also not dead, he's a living god. Science has NO prayer of disproving him, as long as they have tried, and as for common sense, you might want to try a hearty dose.

It's obvious you just want to fight, and i'm not going there, my god is real,you can choose to believe or not, if you hate him that much, why do you continue to post? I actually feel sorry for you, you are hurting deep down inside, and just feel like attacking everyone on this site, it's a defense mechanism, i see it all the time. Still praying for you, you need him in your life more than anyone i've come in contact with.

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If a dose of common sense would kill a God, then why does religion go back to the dawn of time? Or has history been an example of nonsense?

Now I could be wrong, but when God created us in His image, that was before Eve ate from the tree of knowledge. Which she did so by encouragement of the devil disguised as a snake.

To say that God made us selfish and greedy is not correct. God made us naive which enabled Eve to trust in the Devil - the Devil tricked us and thus made us greedy and selfish; God "allowed" us the choice.

Maybe you might argue that God could have stopped Eve from eating the apple, but I think the argument is that He would have been selfish in doing that. He would have taken away our will to keep us loving Him.

Considering how many are persecuted in the name of God because they don't "believe". Think of the Pagans, the Jews, 9/11. Millions of innocent lives lost in the name of God.

But does that make God, or humans, evil?

We have a choice, in everything we do. We have the choice to be kind and compassionate, or mean and inconsiderate. We have the choice to love or to hate, to persecute or forgive. We have the choice to transform our pain into something positive and beautiful or to allow it to make us feel angry and alone. And we all struggle.

There is a very good reason why the symbol for Fibromyalgia is a purple butterfly - because it represents the transformation of our pain into a beautiful thing.

If you can't believe in God, believe in that.

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hesmyeverything so your allowed to say your opinion of God but I'm not allowed to say mine? I'm not picking at everyone on this site, merely stating my opinion thats all.

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hesmyeverything, as much as my lack of faith in God insults you, your faith in God insults me when you push your faith on myself.

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There is no reason for anyone to get insulted on here.

Noca, hesmyeverything was trying to express her views on God and I don't know why anyone would be insulted by someone saying that they'll pray for you.

It's kind of like saying "Merry Christmas", does that insult you because you don't believe in God? Since Christmas represents the birth for Christ and given your openness about hating God.

None of the comments on here were meant to insult merely to bring attention to important facts for and against the notion of believing in God.

You are more than entitled to feel the way you do and express it, but you can't expect people who believe in God to not express how they feel on a thread dedicated to God. But that doesn't mean they are "pushing" their views on you. If you don't believe in God, don't follow this thread and you won't be insulted.

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